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Björn Ulvaeus, international version:

Is it so damn hard to pay for what you get?

What you steal is something that once started as an idea coming from one singel individual. But this is not something that the downloaders are willing to discuss, writes Björn Ulvaeus, former member of Abba.


Om författaren

Björn Ulvaeus is former member of Abba.

During The Pirate Bay trial we often hear their spokes persons, serenely and with tremor in their voices, go on about their freedom on the internet. Behind these hurt feelings of innoscence lies a much more crass reality: It is easier and cheaper to steal than it is to down load the legal way.

This really is all about the freedom to be cheap and lazy. They portray the mass media industry as a giant with no face, which is an enimy that suits their purpose.

What you steal is something that once started as an idea coming from one singel individual. But this is not something that they are willing to discuss. So much easier to keep the no faced giant, who capitalises on the defenceless litte downloader. It is the downloader who is supposed to look weak and without protection, not the original artist.

The realisation of an idea becomes possible since the artist and his financiers knows that they, if they success, will be compensated for their work.

Is this so damn hard to understand? Let us take some time and forget wether the now proposed legislation is relevant or not. Instead we should ask ourselfves: Is it so damn hard to pay for whatyou get?









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No It's not so hard to pay for what you get. However, in every free market from stocks and currencies down to candy the price is set in accordance to what the customer is prepared to pay. Nobody is prepared to pay 500 swedish crowns for a hotdog, yet the question remains, is it so hard to pay for what you get.

What is hard though is to pay for a whole lot more that what you get. Every business in a free market that tries that is doomed. I don't use the pirate bay and I usually pay for my records, but never ever at the full price. A disk simply isn't worth around 200 SEK. It's not worth even near half that amount.

The problem for the music industry is that greed and unwillingness to adopt to the needs of the customers have gotten in the way of all forms of development. The music industry isn't giving the customers what they want and they don't sell their products at a price that the general public is willing to pay.

That problem is global and will not be solved in a swedish court, I promise..

Permalänk | Anmäl #1 Bocken Bruse, 2009-02-20, 18:06

Fact of the matter is that Pirate Bay crew are UBER geeks!!!! They dont have a clue... BUT they do represent the majority of the moral direction western society is taking. Therefor I reckon its crucial that the Media companies , instead of making 99,9% youth of the world criminals, seriously look for new revenue opportunities. If we expect humans to evolve biologically why not have evolution in our social structures as well. And sorry Mr. Ulveaus you do not get it allthough I love your music. Mozart had a benefactor, so should you. You should do it for the love of your art and not the monetary gain.

Permalänk | Anmäl #2 Eric Hughes, 2009-02-20, 20:08

Gimme gimme gimme more money money money.
Some songs have just got a new association for a whole generation.

Permalänk | Anmäl #3 Teo, 2009-02-20, 23:15

It's not only about being cheap and lazy. The torrent sites actually have better service than legitimate web stores: the selection of music and movies is better and the products are easy to find. There is no DRM, so the end-user can play the files on any devices he or she may have. The files will never stop playing because the provider kills some DRM scheme, in contrast so several failed online shops. The technical quality of the files is varied, but it is very easy to learn to find the high-quality files that are as good as or better than the legal downloads.

The legal way of downloading music and movies must match all of these and make the user experience better than the 'illegal' sites. I have ended up downloading illegally a record or two that I would have bought, but didn't, simply because they were not easily available anywhere in a format that played on my (Microsoft-free) devices. The music business has finally learned at least the lesson about DRM and many online shops are giving it up.

Most people are perfectly willing to pay a reasonable price for a good product and good service. The days of buying pieces of plastic in a shop and then carrying them home are inevitably over. Computer networks can make an unlimited selection of music and movies available to anyone almost instantly and at an almost negligible cost of transfer. The nature of the technology is such that a perfect copy is made every time a file is transferred. All of this is getting easier and faster every day. The record and film industries simply must learn to do business in this environment.

PS. Would you correct the typos in the article? They look pretty bad (singel vs. single etc.).

Permalänk | Anmäl #4 Mike, 2009-02-21, 01:36

Christ!

Don't maul the most proper language in the world, just 'cause you apparently didn't've the time to learn it.

It's never been about economics, you fool. Most people're ready and willing to pay, yet they're not able to make that transaction, since a bunch of assholes, like you, apparently don't want to sell to the majority of buyers.

The only thing that's stolen's an abstract idea of "how people should get their hands on the creation. The actual content isn't stollen, it's only copied. So, if'y're stupid enough not to take part of the copy distribution ... you're an idiot, so why blame your fans?

Permalänk | Anmäl #5 ST, 2009-02-21, 01:54

Apparantly it is damn hard to pay your taxes.

Permalänk | Anmäl #6 Tommy, 2009-02-21, 02:55

Yes it's difficult to pay.

If you wanted to sell your music, then you should have posted a link to a place where we can pay for and download your music.

But you didn't, so it's hard to pay for your music.

Or did you expect me to spend one hour going to a music store and (if I'm lucky) pay 20€ for a piece of plastic?

Permalänk | Anmäl #7 Harald, 2009-02-21, 05:45

It seems Bjorn has transformed to an internet troll. First he throws a flamebait into the debate, refuses to answer the critics and finally translates the flamebait to English. He hopes to get many angry comments once again while laughing out loud in his jacuzzi. A good job indeed Bjorn!

Permalänk | Anmäl #8 Anders G, 2009-02-21, 13:47

Actually, it is measurable.
Music from pirate bay:
1. alt-d, type "piratebay.org", hit enter
2. type title of music track, hit enter
3. hit the download link for the most suitable hit
4. listen on you computer, transfer to ipod or any other of your devices.

Music from online store:
1. navigate to store X, similar way as 1. above
2. find where on the page to search for music
3. type title of music track, hit enter,
4. cross your fingers
5. if unlucky despite step 4, navigate to store X+1 and start from 2.
6. download the track and listen to it.
7. with some luck (see step 4) it will also play on some of your devices.

For music we now have a promising service called Spotify, their library is growing and music piracy is becoming irrelevant. When a similar service exists for TV-shows and movies, that kind of piracy will also become irrelevant. But the content must become internationally available immediately, otherwise piracy will continue. I'm not saying I support piracy, I'm saying I believe in the path of least resistance.

Permalänk | Anmäl #9 Markus Johnsson, 2009-02-21, 15:34

Anything is worth what its purchaser will pay for it.

Even when it's nothing at all.

Permalänk | Anmäl #10 Per Edman, 2009-02-22, 05:15

If the the price of the hot dog is 500 SEK and you don't want to pay 500 SEK you're not getting the hot dog. Simple as that.

However, this rule is set aside by you thieves and commies. You want but you don't want to pay. You want, so you just take it anyway. Most artists and creators don't make the money ABBA makes, but you make no exception there, you take what you want and may the artist starve, it's not your problem. "Get a real job," you say (that's what usually follows in these discussions). Well, the result of that is often that the artist's ceative job is nipped in it's bud and he or she will probably never make it, especially if they know they will never make any money. The price is too high, creation takes time, it's hard work, it's not fun all the time, and with another job on top of that there is often not enogh energy or time to create.

What the hell is so hard to understand here? If you don't want to pay the price you SHOULD NOT HAVE WHAT YOU COVET! This industry is no different from any other. You people make me feel shame being a swede.

Permalänk | Anmäl #11 Maria, 2009-02-23, 13:11

Let me remind everyone here, including Mr Ulvaeus, that if you really want to be radical about this then let the "free" market decide! It is exactly what Radiohead did on their last album, implementing a system of downloading it against a payment you decide. I ma very aware of what a recording production costs and I am sure that Radiohead did make a profit on this. But then you have to be bold and see out of the box! If people think it's worth it they wil pay for it. Strict free market rules that I'm sure that Mr Ulvaeus adheres to and rejoices everytime royalties from some 20 year old Abba song rattle into the money vault. Actually, it's not only about what the market want's to pay for the goods, and we (read: the market) do not wantt to pay 15-20 USD per record, but it's also about choice. The likes of Itunes are only slaves to the deals made by the record industry, and I will anytime give you a number of radio station URL's whose playlists are only covered to about 40% of the legitimate online stores. Finally, since we are at it and delivering blows left and right, I have no clue what the contract with Abba's record company is but surely if you sign contracts with artists worth tens of millions of dollars a year then you lock yourself into a high-value commodity, right? The non-creation related costs of logistics around many high-profile artists are just stupidly high! You want to balance the sheets? Cut the overheads! Stop booking studios for year-long recording sessions, stop flying artists in private jets, stop recording in 1500 USD a day studios! And for God's sake, stop trying to make a new Spice Girls out of every local teenage girlband!

Permalänk | Anmäl #12 Peter, 2009-02-24, 10:38

"If the the price of the hot dog is 500 SEK and you don't want to pay 500 SEK you're not getting the hot dog. Simple as that"

No, but I think it's safe to assume that if hotdogs were given away for free, their market value would be zero. Despite some fools trying to sell them for 500 sek with the use of immoral laws. Music cd's are obviously not worth 200 sek since not enough people are willing to pay that kind of money for them. It's not at zero yet but it will be in a near future. Do you want to make money of your creations? Find a way or get a real job. Simple as that.

Permalänk | Anmäl #13 Henrik Ulveland, 2009-02-24, 18:24

I've listened and even copied your music for my own use, legally and free, here in Sweden through something known as the library. In case you haven't heard of it, it is completely legal to lend books, music and movies at the library for free! Poor Christopher Tolkien et al. must be crying their hearts out over lost sales because literate people lend books without paying for them. And it's only swedish authors that get any compensation for this "piracy". I wish we could stop the fighting and find out a better way to spread culture AND promote artists and writers.

Permalänk | Anmäl #14 H.Karlsson, 2009-02-25, 16:56

Dear Björn Ulvaeus, I watched your movie Mamma Mia at the cinema, it was worthless. If i was smart enough to download it first and see what it was I would never have went to the cinema to watch it.

So I fully understand your concern about people downloading your movie on the internet and that sales drop, I see the relation here do you.

I never seen such a stupid movie before it made me dizzy and never felt so much pain before. I have a good idea if you cant make enough money on your Mamma Mia movie sell it to USA as a torture device to use on Usama bin ladin when they catch him.

And no it isnt hard to pay for what you get, if you sell it for an acceptable price. You talk about low morale accusing people of theft! You and companies like you only follow one rule, greed. We dont accept it, we have a choice.

Get a decent work you devil, we dont need you little theif.

Permalänk | Anmäl #15 l1mi, 2009-02-25, 19:41

Björn Ulvaeus, international version:
I'm already filthy rich from making music that was popular 30 years ago, but I want more green, and since you young people (aka pirates) don't like my records I'm gonna pretend you're downloading my crap and sue your parents' pants off. See you in court, bitches.

Permalänk | Anmäl #16 Anders8191, 2009-02-25, 20:40

Maria, how can you be so wrong so many times in such a short text?
You wrote "If the the price of the hot dog is 500 SEK and you don't want to pay 500 SEK you're not getting the hot dog. Simple as that."

It came as a surprise to me that it was that simple?? I honestly thought that there where people handing out hotdogs for free anytime you wanted everywhere weather those others tried to sell the same hotdog for 500 far away. When you came there, they might had one, not certain though.
Your first sentense is dead wrong. It isn't as simple as that. You might wish that it would be, but you have to recognize that it isn't.

Your second sentense, "this rule"?? What rule?

The third thing you wrote is in a sense an excuse for you, here it's so clear that you just don't understand. You are still wrong but it's clear that you don't know better. I do want to pay. Are you talking about me or are you talking about people that download in general?

I would like to buy a record by Pat Travers by the name of just Pat Travers from 1976. I would like it in MP3 format that works in my telephone, computer, DvD player and of course, peoples MP3 players. I would like to buy it now, instantly and I am prepared to pay with my card or PayPal right away. How do I go about doing this?

Answer that or feel shamed for beeing Maria and not for beeing a swede. Why is this so damn hard to understand, I ask???

Permalänk | Anmäl #17 Bocken Bruse, 2009-02-25, 21:38

Björn, as I blogged in response to your previous attempt to express this sentiment (in swedish):
If you and your pals in the recording industry did attempt to give us what we want we would pay for it.
But you want to sell us DRM controlled, regionalized music. You want us to buy CD's, and then pay again for the privilege to play the music on our MP3-players.
You want to control the media outlets and the supply.

Give me what I want to a price that's fair and I'll pay gladly.

Call me a thief and I'll become one.

Permalänk | Anmäl #18 Harald Åberg, 2009-02-25, 23:36

Henrik Ulveland: if I want 200 SEK for a CD or 500 for a hot dog, it’s my right to have that money. If you don’t want to pay you have no right to my merchandise.

B Hahn: No, I’m not wrong. If I want 500 SEK for the hot dog I’m selling, that’s what you’re paying. Unless you want to slap me and take it, that is what you have to do. Pay up. There might be someone else down the street giving their hot dogs away for free, but that’s their business. True, I might not sell one single sausage, but that’s my problem. Either way, you will not have it if you don’t pay.

Apart from that, B Hahn, I don’t understand your writing in the third paragraph. It is deplorable, you should stay with Ulveaus’ Swedish text.

“The rule”: the rule that says that the producer and/or seller says that you pay what he says he wants. I understand that might be hard for you to take in if you’re used to stealing.

I’m not talking to you specifically, B Hahn, even though I used your allegory about the hot dog. So I direct myself to everyone that download illegally. But oh, I do understand. So much more than you do. You really seem to think you are correct in all your assumptions. It truly is pitiful. And stop the nonsense. That album is available in a number of places. Just because you might have to wait a couple of days to get the CD doesn’t mean you can steal it. You spoiled dimwit. The wantitnow-generation just has to wake up and smell the IPRED.

It’s really sad on your part. You don’t dare follow your dreams. You could if you would only see it. But you’re afraid of so many things so you stay on your measly, dull McJob’s and this fear and self induced absence of action produces anger and lack of generosity. You just can’t stand the thought of people making a little money off of something that you deep down wish you would have dared to try out. So you scream that no one else can have that either. This is true communism, both in the old and the new way. If someone makes a lot of money, like Ulvaeus, it just freaks you out because in Sweden NO ONE can be rich! Oh no, we must prevent that, mustn’t we? And the common people don’t want to work for their stuff, they just want it, and now they (you) found a way of stashing up on something, just ANYTHING that make you morons feel you’ve won SOMETHING.

You wouldn’t go to the local grocery and tell them that you want what they have in their store albeit you will only pay 1/3 of what they claim to be the price, since you consider it too pricey, but you shall have it so they just have to give in. No, you wouldn’t do that, you’re not brave enough to face people that way, are you? No, now you’ve found a group amongst a lot of people are already poor by modern standards (read Kulturutredningen) and take their loot. Just because you can. My good, what weaklings you are.

This will be my last words in this debate. I've wasted enough of my time on you.

Permalänk | Anmäl #19 Maria, 2009-02-25, 23:40

It must be funny
In a rich mans world

Permalänk | Anmäl #20 losdrivare, 2009-02-26, 17:29

Maria:
"Henrik Ulveland: if I want 200 SEK for a CD or 500 for a hot dog, it’s my right to have that money. If you don’t want to pay you have no right to my merchandise."
Are you daft? You have the right to charge what ever you want but you can't force anyone to pay it. Ever heard of supply and demand? I guess not. Feel free to charge 500 sek for a hot dog but don't expect to sell any if the next guy are selling them for 10 sek. If you do you have to be utterly stupid.

Permalänk | Anmäl #21 Henrik Ulveland, 2009-02-28, 01:08

Haha Maria I just read the rest of your comment! Go back to school please, it's embarrassing...You say: "True, I might not sell one single sausage, but that’s my problem", that should apply on the record companies too right?

Permalänk | Anmäl #22 Henrik Ulveland, 2009-02-28, 01:13

Bravo, Maria.
And to the others, yes, it's semantics. If you now own something and the person who created, manufactured and supplied it has nothing to show for it, you can call it whatever you wish but that economic model will not survive. Henrik, I think you cling to your justifications too tightly and fail to see the valid point Maria makes. You use "supply and demand" as an argument. The problem is "you guys" have broken that model as well. You have created an unlimited supply of something. Supply and demand, for setting prices, means that as the supplier I can control the supply to react to the demand. If the supply is unlimited, demand will of course go to the sky and the price will drop to the floor. If you want the record companies to lower prices, stop buying their product. But that means stop having their product. Show them, as a consumer, you would rather go completely without their product than pay their price. You have now lowered demand and they will adjust their price to meet that demand or, as Maria pointed out, they will sell no hot dogs. But that means no one gets hot dogs. If someone steals (downloads) all their hot dogs and starts giving them away, of course they will not lower their price to try to meet that demand.

One last point. You (eventually) get what you pay for. If you are unwilling to support the arts with money (professionals) so artist can commit their full time and talent to producing the best possible art (product), than you will be left with amateurs putting out mediocre art in their spare time. Check out some of the many home brew mp3 sites out there to see what that will leave you. Sure, you'll have a handful of well funded mega-stars and some worthy exceptions, but shouldn't the market, whether local or world wide, decide what is worthy of support and thereby give it the sustenance it needs to create more of what the buying public has decided is good. Not all capitalism is evil.
Just a thought.

Permalänk | Anmäl #23 S. Callison, 2009-03-04, 06:02

(I often find "copy-cats" trying to "lend" parts of my poetry when their own imaginations not appear. Well, it's another subject, this dilemma of mine!)
There will always be people that doesn't want to pay for anything, not for music and certainly not for my poetry. The cheaper the better.
And the younger people has been in a way taught not to take any economical responsabilities because many of them have parents that is determined to "help" them with payments. Cell-phones, clothes and other stuff. So I guess it's not easy for the youngsters to actually understand that they have to pay for the music they want to hear? They take example from adults doing the same thing.

Permalänk | Anmäl #24 This is a subculture - for free!, 2009-03-26, 01:22

In order to reply to the hot dog scenario, where people "don't buy ma freakin' hawtdawgs" because they're too expensive, it's common for "pirated" records to originate from the actual record released in stores. the information is then copied, and can be copied for as many times as you wish. so, if the price for making a copy of a song is [X - (N*Y+1)], where X is the amount of money spent for studio costs etcetera, and N is the cost per time to copy the song, and Y being the emount of times you copy the song. So if we create a song lets say it cost 1500 usd, and we then copy it twice. that will make us have 3 copies. N in this case will basically be the cost for your computer to process the copy, which is close to nothing. if we then have 3 copies now (Y=2) each copy has costed about 500 USD to create. Now, imagine we live in a computerized world and that the only rule applied is what we can and what we can't do, Y will be close to infinite. when Y is approaching infinite, the price per copy is also close to zero.

I'm not trying to mathematically prove that copying files should be legal, I'm just saying that every copy of a song has a creation value of nearly zero, and therefor should not cost ~2 dollars each to buy and not be able to copy as you wish.

Permalänk | Anmäl #25 S.A, 2009-04-01, 10:56

How much are you willing to pay for potential shit? I stopped paying for my media way to slowly, I got burned by the massive quantity of junk for high prices once to many. On the other side, I play gladly for things that I know are good. Blizzard has up till now had my trust. Squaresoft, Valve and a few other companies still have my trust... And I'm actually considering going off paying for a "Lady Gaga" cd. I would have if it wasnt for the sheer arrogance of you pathetic "Artists" who demand money for bad rehashes of oldies and massive quantity of money for masssive quantities of shit!

Permalänk | Anmäl #26 Bjorn Backstrom, 2009-04-01, 11:52

B.Hah: That comment was a bulls eye!

The industry wants to act as a private police and fight technical development just because internet distribution does not fit their business model. Im glad it is not a state owned industry, because it is committing suicide...

Permalänk | Anmäl #27 mikael Jakobsson, 2009-04-01, 23:34

TANSTAAFL
There ain't no such thing as a free lunch (R.A. Heinlein). Nothing is ever free, even air costs you, as you need energy to draw a breath and that energy comes from the food you eat/buy. If something is "free" for you, it is costing someone else. The free market are now killing record companies (sadly they're rich enough to lobby for laws delaying it but it won't help for long). The trick now is to make sure artists can go on living on their work. Sponsors doesn't feel right in these times (then it was kings, now it'll be coca cola or microsoft). It could be a system like for shareware, free trial period then you have to pay to keep. The more popular song/book the more expensive it gets (so it'll be cheeper to pay early before it's popularity rises). And after it peaks it'll be cheeper again. The artist propably need someone to take care of all practical things, so there might be something for record companies in the future - but the other way around. The record company is hired by the artist instead of like now where the company owns the artists. When a new system of micorpayment is adapded, then people taking music/books for "free" will be theives. Now they're just a market heading in another direction.

Permalänk | Anmäl #28 JO, 2009-04-02, 08:08

Hello Bjorn!
How do you define the word stealing? Stealing, in my mind, means taking your things from you. But in this case you still have your things, thus it is not a theft!
Consider the time when the tape-recorder and video-recorder were introduced. What happened? There was an outcry of course but the problem was easily solved by taking some extra money from the buyers of the tapes. Why not make a similar solution again. But I suppose all the lawyers want so sue and make a lot of money.
"Money, money, money. It is a rich mans world". Are you going to sue me now for using those words in that ABBAsong?

Permalänk | Anmäl #29 TÅGMICKE, 2009-04-02, 13:44

Is it so damn hard to shut your stupid, rich old mouth?

Permalänk | Anmäl #30 Lars, 2009-04-02, 15:50

It is sad to see the lack of understanding of basic economics that is consistent throughout the music industry. Obviously the supply of physical CD’s is stretching far beyond the customers demand.

Instead of blaming it all on people that actually keep up with the technological development that has been taking place since even before Napster, they should reallocate their capital towards new, improved and cheaper ways of selling music that actually attract customers.

It is not the customer’s fault that the industry is old and slowly fading away. It doesn’t take a genius to see that the music industry needs to hire new product developers and perhaps new marketing teams.

1. Ipread is infringing on the freedom of individuals.
2. It is not the customer’s fault that the industry can’t keep up with technology.

There are probably thousands of people that have good relevant suggestions of how buying music could be made into a relevant option again.

Bottom line is that if the hot dog costs 500sek and no one is willing to buy it at that price level, the hot dog sales person must lower the price or the market will force him out of business. This is the market mechanism; this is the way it should be done…

Permalänk | Anmäl #31 Temi, 2009-04-02, 18:15

Björn is right.
Ban free radio, ban librarys, ban free museums.

Permalänk | Anmäl #32 profanum_vulgus, 2009-04-03, 10:36

Short comment on the 500SEK hotdog issue.

It’s not that you steal a hotdog because you do not want to pay for the 500SEK one. It’s not even that you go elsewhere for your hotdog needs. The correct analogy would be that you buy one hotdog analyse it and thereafter make your own. Also, you spread your hotdog recipe to everybody who wants it. Everybody is happy except the original hotdog-seller.

Now hotdogs are a very bad example as, in Sweden at least, there is no copyright on recipes.

Permalänk | Anmäl #33 Mumfi, 2009-04-03, 12:17

Ok, maybe a hotdog wasn't the best example. Those who are willing to understand probably figured out that I meant an unfair price.

Considering todays technology, in; recording, producing, marketing and distributing music and film one could expect the price to be lower than in the old plastic disc world.

And Maria. You and I where talking about two completely different things. I was talking about he current situation and the possible reasons for it. You on the other hand where talking about how things should be (ought to be) according to you. These two things doesn't quite add up. For the most part I actually agree with you on how things ought to be, but they won't unless the industry even tries to meet their customers on the way. Regardless of what you (or I) think.

Permalänk | Anmäl #34 Bocken Bruse, 2009-04-03, 13:24

It all comes down to greed. If you can't follow the pace of the world and the evolution extreme measures are sadly taken instead of trying to understand, evolve and finding new ways of surviving.

Permalänk | Anmäl #35 Tomas, 2009-04-03, 14:10

It seems to me if you sift through the ramblings, that the same people who want you to pay 500SEK for a hot dog and monopolise the price are possibly the same people who do not want to pay their taxes! Interesting correlation.
I do not support downloading, but I do support the free market and I would like value for my money..If I can get the hot dog for a better value ratio I will take it. If one is to extrapolate that behaviour, then lets just say if the hot dog was available for free by some other means than it will be consumed for no price (law of nature)

Permalänk | Anmäl #36 Darren Maharaj, 2009-04-03, 15:09

Is it so damn hard to find new markets and stop bitching at people because you (quite literally) don't have anything to sell and no longer have a viable marketing plan?

I thought you were smarter than that, Björn. If Roger Wallis sees the shift in revenues going directly to artists, where's your beef? If Rasmus points out current legislation supports a fascist corporative idea where record companies get paid not only for selling records but for crippling the entire musical creation process - and this against the better wishes of STIM at the time - what's so damn hard for you to see?

How come you can't sell stagecoaches anymore? Stenkakor? Huh? How come, Björn?

Oh - use a spellchecker next time.

Permalänk | Anmäl #37 Rick, 2009-04-03, 15:16

OK, here's an example, you old stofil. There's a song I want. A single track. It's on an album I already own. But that album is back in Stockholm. And I'm not in Stockholm right now. You can't get that track - or that album - ANYWHERE if not on BT. But then you have to download something like 1,000 tracks at once. And I don't want that.

I don't know how many times I've lost albums from my collection and had to buy them again. And yes there were probably a few from you too. So what happens to the old rule that one has a right to listen anytime anywhere so long as one has paid once? But you don't care about that, you old stofil, do you?

You keep recycling things. The original ABBA albums, then ABBA gold - people lose things and you make them pay for them again. Geez you're a rich bastard. What are you trying to do - set a world record? Why don't you just give it up?

You used to be a great leader in the humanist movement. You had the admiration of so many people. Now you've flushed all that down the toilet.

As someone else here said: it's your lyrics coming back to haunt.

Gimme gimme gimme
Money money money
It's a rich man's world

Those words are going to haunt you a long time. Do you know who 'Mudd' is? What happens when they start saying 'your name is Ulvaeus'?

We met a long time ago. Konsum at Vasaplatsen, Lidingö. I thought you were totally OK. So genuine. Just a nice person.

I don't think that anymore.

Permalänk | Anmäl #38 Rick, 2009-04-03, 15:29

One last thing I need to point out.

I've never file shared a song or anything else. Never. I don't have a need to.

I've tried a BT client once. To get a copy of a stupid computer trojan that needed analysis. I took the BT client off my system immediately after. It was crappy software and I don't want junk like that around.

I have no need to share files. But that doesn't matter.

All that matters is you are so totally wrong.

A word of advice: check your position a bit more. You're making more enemies than friends today. People loved ABBA and Meryl and it's really not going to take them a long time to cultivate a sophisticated hatred for you. Look at me! I don't file share and already I'm beginning to hate you!

So take a good look at what's going down. Before you lose any more.

Cheers.

Permalänk | Anmäl #39 Rick, 2009-04-03, 15:33

Its seems after sifting through the ramblings that the people who want to monopolise the price of the hot dog and keep it at 500 SEK had a real problem paying their taxes! Interesting correlation.
Whilst I do not support illegal down loading I still would like to a variety of prices before I buy the hot dog. If I am not given the chance and I am forced to pay one high price well then there will be repercussions for the proprietor of the hot dog stand, would it?
Basically the record and movie industry has succeeded, at present, in shooting down flies with cannon balls OK. But do not expect that there will be no repercussions by the very people you choose force in to buying your products. They are full of energy, knowledge, drive and some are them can be vindictive.

Permalänk | Anmäl #40 Darren Maharaj, 2009-04-03, 15:45

Sorry for my two similar posts. I was downloading something at the time and the internet slowed down.

Permalänk | Anmäl #41 Darren Maharaj, 2009-04-03, 17:56

I think the majority of the people who is filesharing would be willing to pay a certain amount of money each month for it, the society made us criminals and they are very unwilling to negotiate about it too. Democracy died with IPRED and FRA.

Permalänk | Anmäl #42 Sandra, 2009-04-14, 21:30

yes, it is very hard to pay, and it is harder for you as well to pay your taxes. you became rich on us and now you want more and more

Permalänk | Anmäl #43 Boulder, 2009-04-17, 06:42

What you consider to be theft, others perceive it as free advertisement, some uses illegal downloads as try 'n buy. (If you don't get the try 'n buy analog it means that you download it for free, listen to it and if you like it, you'll order a real copy.)

The record companies are only interested in their profit, not in the artist or the consumers.
I'd prefer that the majority of what I pay for a record would end up in the pocket of the artist instead of a greedy company. The options to do that are slim to none today.

So open your eyes and look for opportunities rather than staring blind at something you don't understand.

Adopt or die.

Permalänk | Anmäl #44 Open your mind, 2009-04-17, 14:17

How the heck do you take a blob like this seriously? He's evading swedish taxes he's been owing us swedish citizens for years! Dodging the IRS like the weasel he is.

Stop trolling you asshat and gtfo the interweb! Get!

Permalänk | Anmäl #45 RAGE77, 2009-04-17, 14:28

Is it so damn hard for you to understand the point with internet?
Is it so damn hard for you to know that it's stupid too by something you can get for free?
Is it so damn hard for you to kill yourself?

Permalänk | Anmäl #46 Escapist, 2009-04-17, 16:12

Dude, I never got shit from you or any other artist. I got it from file sharers. Nobody stole nothing from you, you twat. We share stuff amongst one another. That's not stealing. Leave us be.

Permalänk | Anmäl #47 traSh, 2009-04-17, 16:22

Ska det va så förbannat besvärligt att förstå, även som multimilliardär, att vid någonsorts tillfälle börjar människor undra om herr Ulveus ännu inte fått halsen full nog?

Hur många fridlysta öar tänker han bebygga innan han har visat vad för en "karl" han är?

Han borde skämmas, alternativt visa lite tacksamhet gentemot de som fyllt inte bara hans plånbok utan även hans ego.

Permalänk | Anmäl #48 Christer i Frankrike, 2009-04-17, 17:51

Bjorn !!

You should be ashamed of yourself !!

Permalänk | Anmäl #49 Kalle, 2009-04-17, 19:05

I´ve never shared a file but I sure as hell pay my taxes!
If you don´t pay your taxes you don´t have a right to judge anyone else at all!

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