"People of good faith understand the need for sensitive diplomatic communications"

I agree, hillary. We don't need an even more unstable world.

Jag vet inte om jag skall kommentera detta på svenska eller engelska...

Regeringar som står upp för allt det goa som Hillary snackar om förstår också att ALLA människor måste ha rätt till privat kommunikation, men USAs regering är den drivande kraften som ligger bakom att ALLT idag skall övervakas. Därför ekar hennes ord falskt.

Att hon sedan refererar till sekretessbelagda andra verksamheter är mycket intressant. Om vi tar vården som exempel så skall ju all data om alla patienter skickas upp centralt till ett megaregister i Sverige, i ett system som heter Nationell Patientöversikt. Hur länge dröjer det innan USA kräver att få del av detta, precis som de krävde att få del av alla våra banktransaktioner via SWIFT?

Det samlade intrycket är mycket klent. Fru Clinton låtsas vara något hon inte är, och ljuger oss rätt upp i ansiktet med denna "spinnkontroll"-artikel efter att hon och hennes gelikar har blivit påkomna med byxorna nere. Mer öppenhet, mer granskning av våra folkvalda, och vi kanske kan få en anständig diplomatisk värld i framtiden.

If the US Government has conducted it´s business according to law it has nothing to fear, but if it has not and betrayed the trust of the American people it must be brought to justice.

Paul Craig Roberts (was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury during President Reagan's first term. He was Associate Editor of the Wall Street Journal.) says:

"The media, not merely in the US but also throughout the English speaking world and Europe, has shown its hostility to WikiLeaks. The reason is obvious. WikiLeaks reveals truth, while the media covers up for the US government and its puppet states."

http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article24712.html

@ #3 Johnny Andersson:

I'm adding an even more disturbing, and quite possibly true, quotation from that same article:

"Obviously, Sweden has become another two-bit punk puppet government of the US"

I think it's time for the leaders of the world to realize that their big brother society works both ways. If they want to know what we're doing, we're going to know what they're doing. So it's either play fair or don't play at all. Even if you manage to shut Wikileaks up, there is just going to be another, and another, and another after that. Same thing as with the pirate bay.

You can't keep a good man down!

Dear Hillary,
I´m not sure whether You are serious or joking,
nor am I sure of which of the scenarios is more frightening.

Hillary Clinton skriver:
”U.S. diplomats meet with local human rights workers, journalists, religious leaders, and others outside of governments who offer their own candid insights. These conversations also depend on trust and confidence. For example, if an anti-corruption activist shares information about official misconduct, or a social worker passes along documentation of sexual violence, revealing that person's identity could have serious repercussions: imprisonment, torture, even death.”

Är detta enbart skrivet av omsorg om dessa människorättsaktivister, journalister, religiösa ledare, socialarbetare och ”antikorruptionsaktivister” (!), för att skydda dem från det hemska Wikileaks?

Kanske är det så, men det är också möjligt att utläsa ett hot i detta hennes uttalande. En undermening i det hon säger skulle kunna vara: -”Om ni, människorättsaktivister, journalister, religiösa ledare, socialarbetare och ”antikorruptionsaktivister”, ställer er på Wikileaks sida, då kanske USA:s diplomater kommer att börja läcka information om er, som kommer att kunna skada er: ...” imprisonment, torture, even death”.

(Kan någon nämna en känd ”antikorruptionsaktivist” förresten? Någon speciell ni kommer att tänka på?)

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Vidare, #2 Sven P Andersson skriver, om Hillary Clinton:
"Det samlade intrycket är mycket klent. Fru Clinton låtsas vara något hon inte är, och ljuger oss rätt upp i ansiktet med denna "spinnkontroll"-artikel efter att hon och hennes gelikar har blivit påkomna med byxorna nere."

Ja, vem spinner åt Hillary? För hon sitter väl knappast själv och knackar tangentbord för Newsmills läsare?

Hur som helst, om Newsmills modererande administratör är välvilligt inställd, kanske jag lyckas spinna in min kommentar till Jan Myrdals artikel om Assange/Wikileaks (se nedan), även i denna intressanta tråd?

http://www.newsmill.se/artikel/2010/11/29/riktiga-befrielsehj-ltar-lever...

Diplomaterna behöver kunna kommunicera utan att avlyssnas. Men alla andra medborgare skall avlyssnas.

Opposed to other debaters I agree with Mrs Clinton. By making sensitive information (and even militatary secrets) open to the public, you risk instability between countries and leaders. This is as obvious as the noses in our faces. In Sweden we are extremely naive and unconscious of the risks of terror and aggressive actions from warlords towards the free world.

"People of good faith..." you say in the beginning, and invalidate your entire speech right there....

Nothing is more dangerous than "people of good faith".

Jag tror att lite mera öppenhet knappast kan skada världen på lång sikt och det gäller då inte bara diplomatin utan också Julian med flera på Wikileaks. Julian bör ta chansen att komma till Sverige och få sin sak prövad i ett någorlunda transparent och rättvist rättssystem tycker jag.

Men visst Hillary, det är oerhört olyckligt att uppgifterna om spelet bakom kulisserna kring de norska flygplansköpen kommer ut. Det är hemskt olyckligt att Fredrik Reinfeldt, Tolgfors i fortsättningen inte kan låtsas vara blåögda och hemskt illa att världens folk exponeras för hur USA tvingar Polen att köpa amerikanska flygplan och hur USA dribblar med världen i största allmänhet - verkligen mycket olyckligt, det förstår ju alla människor med sunt förnuft hur illa det är, så rätt Hillary Brezhnev....

Alltid aktuell, men Mikael Wiehe's "Keops pyramid" känns bara så rätt i dessa Wikileaks-dagar, tycker jag. En klassiker på temat "ni där uppe - vi här nere". En sång i vinden till Hillary Clinton och andra på "toppen" av pyramiden:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LiDdgJLMEU

as someone said in a comment: In Sweden we are extremly naive...and we want to keep it that way! so please mrs Clinton, protect us from any harm, whatever the price!!

This is a good read about the excelent work you are doing to protect us all from any harmful knowledge..... but you´ve probably already read it!

"Economics is only a social extension of a natural energy system. It, also, has its three passive components. Because of the distribution of wealth and the lack of communication and consequent lack of data, this field has been the last energy field for which a knowledge of these three passive components has been developed.

Since energy is the key to all activity on the face of the earth, it follows that in order to attain a monopoly of energy, raw materials, goods, and services and to establish a world system of slave labor, it is necessary to have a first strike capability in the field of economics. In order to maintain our position, it is necessary that we have absolute first knowledge of the science of control over all economic factors and the first experience at engineering the world economy.

In order to achieve such sovereignty, we must at least achieve this one end: that the public will not make either the logical or mathematical connection between economics and the other energy sciences or learn to apply such knowledge.

This is becoming increasingly difficult to control because more and more businesses are making demands upon their computer programmers to create and apply mathematical models for the management of those businesses.

It is only a matter of time before the new breed of private programmer/economists will catch on to the far reaching implications of the work begun at Harvard in 1948. The speed with which they can communicate their warning to the public will largely depend upon how effective we have been at controlling the media, subverting education, and keeping the public distracted with matters of no real importance."

from Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars

Dear ms Clinton,

The essence of democracy is true information, discussion before decision and...moreover...strong restrictions in fargoing activities like starting a war - or two or three.

Citizens of the world - both in Western democracies and in various dictartoric states - citizens beleive that we are fooled by propaganda all the time, fooled with lies.

Wikkileaks gives us all the democratic tools to understand things better. Peoples of the world are now able to make better decisions, wiser.

I thank Wikkileaks for this opportunity!

Please tell your diplomats and CIA to behave more careful and more responsible. Doing this, none of us will denie them to do their job :-)

"The United States strongly condemns the illegal disclosure of classified information."

So do I. Illegal acts have been committed, although that has nothing to do with Wikileaks. Someone having breached U.S. security with regards to diplomatic correspondence is one thing; media publishing such information is something else, and is protected by the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution that specifically prohibits infringement on the freedom of speech and freedom of the press. Even if the U.S. Supreme Court hypothetically, against all odds, would rule otherwise in this case, U.S. law does not apply to media and servers owned and operated by foreign nationals in foreign nations, so the quoted sentence makes no sense in the context of Wikileaks, only in the context of the perpetrators of the mentioned crime.

In a greater context, surely Ms. Clinton must be aware that going after the messengers - the journalists - is one of the hallmarks of dictatorships, and typical for countries that are not fully functioning democracies. Free media is one of the most fundamental principles behind democratic ideals. In this context, it is disturbing that U.S. government is trying to mute Wikileaks. As a general guiding principle, the world is much better off WITH journalists publishing sensitive information, than without them. This not only applies to totalitarian states, of course, but also to democracies like the United States.

Wikileaks is only doing its job as a global player acting in the spirit of democracy - regardless of what the U.S. government or anyone else think about the released info at hand. I neither support nor condone releasing classified diplomatic information, and fully understand the grave consequences of the decision to publish such information. In fact, I agree with much of what Ms. Clinton is saying, including that Wikileaks is harming valuable diplomacy. Makes sense, and that is indeed troubling. I share Ms. Clinton's concern, and I wish her good luck in finding effective, yet reaonable, solutions to the situation at hand.

However, in my humble opinion, the correct response on part of the U.S. government would be to bite the bullet with regards to Wikileaks, regret their publications, beef up information security, and go after the perpetrators of the security breaches. To also go after media such as Wikileaks signifies moral failure on part of the U.S. government, and goes against everything the U.S. - with some right - claims to stand for. To not uphold such principles will harm the United States' already patchy credibility in its somwhat sporadic efforts to uphold democratic values around the globe.

My point is that the principle of free media must be upheld. After all, it isn't the first time that a U.S. administration tries to stop media publications. In 1971, the Nixon administration managed to stop the Times from publishing 7,000 pages of documents related to the war in Vietnam. Two weeks later, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that the documents could be published. Then the American public learned how the Johnson administration had systematically lied to both Congress and the public.

Adding salt to injury, yesterday, both Visa and Mastercard stopped payments to Wikileaks. Just a couple of working days prior to that, payments to Wikileaks via Paypal had been suspended, and the U.S. Justice department has publicly declared their intention to go after Wikileaks. This is more disturbing than the fact that some of Wikileaks' publications are damaging to international diplomacy. At the same time, a quick check reveals that donations to Ku Klux Klan (via the "Join" tab at their website) is no problem with neither Visa, Mastercard, nor American Express. Go figure.

Dear Hillary!

We are a croud of millions in Sweden and around the world who are stout friends of the USA, the Greatest Democracy the world has ever known.

Many of us also admire you and Mr Clinton for a life in the service of democracy, and for your dedicated work to promote the values expressed by the founders of the US in the American Constitution..

Now, instead of repeating what has already been said, I suggest your analysts try to to come up with an undestanding of what we, the majority of friends of both Freedom of Infomation and friends of Freedom for the USA , REALLY think, and MEAN to say.

Making us have to choose between Feedom to know the Truth , and Feedom for your diplomats to deceive,

I fear would be a mistake from your side,

as the mere values promoted by your country, and our own sense of Justice are deeply embedded within most of us,AND would force us to take a stand FOR Freedom of Truth in this case, whether you opportunistically call it a crime or not.

You should punish the leakers, NOT try to go after the Free Press as manifested by Wikileaks.

You are making a BIG mistake in putting an alleged interest of US diplomacy ahead of the very values in your own Constitution that
you have promised to protect.

Sorry!

Think again, Think Right and DO Different!

For the rest, I second the previous commentator,mr Peter Andersson , in his very explicit comment # 17.

With all due respect

Yours Sincerely